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steve23yhPosted at 2017-01-31 19:40:59(376 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)
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Was listening to the pointless version of David Live in the car this morning - the one with the missing songs - only to find that there was a gap of just under a second at 57 seconds in Rock And Roll With Me.

Just my copy, or is this normal?


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Jean-HenriPosted at 2017-01-31 21:26:24(376 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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Are you sure you weren't playing the edited single version from the Re-Call2 album?


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steve23yhPosted at 2017-01-31 22:25:03(376 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)
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Now why would I mix those up??  And it's a straightforward gap of 0.7 seconds...


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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2017-02-01 11:35:30(375 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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steve23yh wrote:

Was listening to the pointless version of David Live in the car this morning - the one with the missing songs - only to find that there was a gap of just under a second at 57 seconds in Rock And Roll With Me.Just my copy, or is this normal?

Hi Steve I just played my copies on the laptop and there are no gaps in mine, also played on a stand alone Blu-Ray and again no gap.

Is it anything to do with the car stereo maybe ???

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steve23yhPosted at 2017-02-01 12:55:00(375 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)
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Ripped it and opened it in Goldwave.  Definitely a gap.  Will get a return!

Thanks chaps.


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Jean-HenriPosted at 2017-02-01 13:51:07(375 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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Steve, the stream on Spotify doesn't have a gap either.

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PiggwinnPosted at 2017-02-01 21:52:49(375 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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I triple checked my cd, no issues here sorry dude.



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KiwikidPosted at 2017-02-15 00:44:36(373 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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shame someone was buying it for me as a gift so I've never bought

My pressing flaw looks bad all the discs are silver  8o

disc are marked "manufactured by optimal media GmbH" and correct numbered on pressing side
not badly put together for a counterfeit if it is

label side had on some just Bowie - D Dogs, Live
not David Bowie as artist like rest
DBX2 numbering etc all correct

I've not heard or can find anything about silver only gold disc

the fakes are out there unless there's been a silver disc release

anyone else heard anything


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steve23yhPosted at 2017-02-15 08:45:19(373 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)
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Had a refund on mine.  Bought on eBay from China, so clearly a pirate.  There was also a gap in 1984 on the full-length David Live.


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KiwikidPosted at 2017-02-15 09:27:20(373 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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I was lucky enough to find out supplier went to the NZ online store was one I buy books from so they helped me out and gave me contact details as they have overseas vendors selling through them and it's come from one of them
told them my eyesights bad but can't even see a tinge of gold colour just pure silver
Want me to contact them to see what they say, They expect Genuine to been sent out to it's customers.

Box set std NZ price $259 at record store, online store was $160 comes X UK or US but not available these pirates selling for $110 come from Singapore


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rayzerPosted at 2017-02-16 14:56:39(373 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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I've just received both box sets from a seller in China.  

The "Who Can I Be Now" has silver discs and the same fault described above with David Live.
The card gatefold sleeves are a bit warped on the inside.
Other sleeves look just fine, but annoyingly some of the inserts are missing (lyric sheets, inner sleeves etc)
Live in Nassau has the name of artist as "Diamond Dogs" on the spine instead of "David Bowie".
The book is perfect, as is the box itself.

As far as I can tell, the Five Years set looks identical to the genuine article.
Gold discs, all the inserts included, quality card sleeves properly folded, glossy and matt where appropriate.  There is a visible white paper edge on the spine of ZS soundtrack gatefold.
Don't know if this is usual/standard.
No other presentation errors, great looking book.
Unfortunately, a couple of the corners of the box itself have been slightly impacted in transit.
Haven't listened to any of the discs yet.

I got them both very cheap - around £20 each if I factor in a special topcashback promotion.  
So it's probably more trouble than it's worth to send WCIBN back for a refund, since I'd need to pay return shipping and I'd lose out on cashback for that one.

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neilwilkesPosted at 2017-02-16 19:35:06(373 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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Kiwikid wrote:

shame someone was buying it for me as a gift so I've never boughtMy pressing flaw looks bad all the discs are silver  8o disc are marked "manufactured by optimal media GmbH" and correct numbered on pressing sidenot badly put together for a counterfeit if it islabel side had on some just Bowie - D Dogs, Live not David Bowie as artist like restDBX2 numbering etc all correctI've not heard or can find anything about silver only gold discthe fakes are out there unless there's been a silver disc releaseanyone else heard anything

Optimal are one of the biggest replication plants in the EU. They know their job too.
Checking my CD box, mine are all gold but with different hub numbers, which is probably the only way to check. If you can have a squint at the inside of the CD and jot down the 2 hub numbers on each one I will tell you if they match mine

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KiwikidPosted at 2017-02-16 23:59:40(373 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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Thanks Neil

yeah that's the thing if they are a pirate they a bloody good look like optimal
unless someone in optimal decided to make a bit on the side

I found this someone had already on them I've just added mine for cd7 Young Americans
so it's here for others wanting to check

every matched except my mould SID is  IFPI 08N5 and is etched deep and 1/2 way between  matrix and spindle hole where my 5 years gold disc box set it's very fine in matrix
also Station to Station cd8  mastering SID L573

Shane

Barcode: 0190295989842
Matrix / Runout (CD 1): 0190295989163 AG30277-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Matrix / Runout (CD 2): 0190295989750-01 AG33385-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Matrix / Runout (CD 3): 0190295989750-02 AG33385-02 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Matrix / Runout (CD 4): 0190295989156-01 AG36553-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Matrix / Runout (CD 5): manufactured by optimal media GmbH AG42780-01
Matrix / Runout (CD 6): 01902959891712 AG36237-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH      
Matrix / Runout (CD 7): ?[019295989149 AG36033-01]  "        "
Matrix / Runout (CD 8): 0190295989132 AG30276-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Matrix / Runout (CD 9): 0190295989675 AG30279-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Matrix / Runout (CD 10): 6476062 AA12207-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Matrix / Runout (CD 11): 6476072 AA12208-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Matrix / Runout (CD 12): 0190295989637 AG36238-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH
Mastering SID Code (Except CD 10): ifpL575
Mastering SID Code (CD 10): ifpL574   [Nassau disc 1]
Mould SID Code: IFPI 9742
Rights Society: GEMA/MCPS
Label Code: LC30419

those wanting to check SID numbers your mastering will be in rectangle  box opposite side of  matrix as GmbH and Mould engraved (pressed) into centre hub

EDIT:

found something to help locate where yours from
on list I found on discogs mould ifpi 97 is Germany factory
mine are 08 Mexico :(
but mastering numbers are Germany's factory sequence

anyone interested in IFPI numbers and factories they belong to
http://home.lyse.net/bki/met/ifpi-codes.html

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neilwilkesPosted at 2017-02-27 16:23:38(372 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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[quote=Kiwikid] Thanks Neil yeah that's the thing if they are a pirate they a bloody good look like optimalunless someone in optimal decided to make a bit on the sideI found this someone had already on them I've just added mine for cd7 Young Americansso it's here for others wanting to checkevery matched except my mould SID is  IFPI 08N5 and is etched deep and 1/2 way between  matrix and spindle hole where my 5 years gold disc box set it's very fine in matrixalso Station to Station cd8  mastering SID L573ShaneBarcode: 0190295989842Matrix / Runout (CD 1): 0190295989163 AG30277-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMatrix / Runout (CD 2): 0190295989750-01 AG33385-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMatrix / Runout (CD 3): 0190295989750-02 AG33385-02 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMatrix / Runout (CD 4): 0190295989156-01 AG36553-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMatrix / Runout (CD 5): manufactured by optimal media GmbH AG42780-01Matrix / Runout (CD 6): 01902959891712 AG36237-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbH       Matrix / Runout (CD 7): ?[019295989149 AG36033-01]  "        "Matrix / Runout (CD 8): 0190295989132 AG30276-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMatrix / Runout (CD 9): 0190295989675 AG30279-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMatrix / Runout (CD 10): 6476062 AA12207-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMatrix / Runout (CD 11): 6476072 AA12208-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMatrix / Runout (CD 12): 0190295989637 AG36238-01 manufactured by optimal media GmbHMastering SID Code (Except CD 10): ifpL575Mastering SID Code (CD 10): ifpL574   [Nassau disc 1]Mould SID Code: IFPI 9742Rights Society: GEMA/MCPSLabel Code: LC30419those wanting to check SID numbers your mastering will be in rectangle  box opposite side of  matrix as GmbH and Mould engraved (pressed) into centre hubEDIT:found something to help locate where yours fromon list I found on discogs mould ifpi 97 is Germany factory  mine are 08 Mexico :(but mastering numbers are Germany's factory sequence anyone interested in IFPI numbers and factories they belong tohttp://home.lyse.net/bki/met/ifpi-codes.html [/quote]

My IFPI code is L573 and matches what is on the discogs site for the Europe version at
https://www.discogs.com/David-Bowie-Who-Can-I-Be-Now-1974-1976/release/9093023
Mould codes are all but illegible, but these look like Optimal Germany

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tel33Posted at 2017-03-01 14:47:46(371 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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This is definitely a pirate copy from China. Also had one of these briefly but the minute I received it and opened the package I knew it was fake. Box too small for the CD sleeves, only silver discs.
Whether they have correct matrix numbers or factory IDs is totally irrelevant.

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daddymarkPosted at 2018-01-15 20:42:16(326 wks ago) (Bowie General / Who Can I Be Now - Pressing Flaw?)


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steve23yh wrote:

Was listening to the pointless version of David Live in the car this morning - the one with the missing songs - only to find that there was a gap of just under a second at 57 seconds in Rock And Roll With Me.Just my copy, or is this normal?

Seems I have picked up a fake too. Disc 2 of David Live (Original Mix) doesn't play in my CD player, but plays on my PC and Blu-Ray player. However, when I ripped it through CD-Ex no match was found when connecting to freedb or Musicbrainz. I ripped the track in question and there is no gap.

Paypal have refunded me, by the way.

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