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joevigPosted at 2024-09-10 12:43:57(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)
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Had anyone got a copy of the new mixes on Blu-ray? If so, any thoughts on the content, or the packaging?

I'm a bit underwhelmed by the packaging, which is a slim, un-laminated cardboard gatefold, in shrinkwrap with a hype sticker.

I use a PS5 as a player; popping the disc in the drive and pressing play launches a lurid retro warning with some American logo shit, followed by a Parlophone bumper before the opening presentation sequence lands on the navigation menu.

There are just two options: 2024 Mixes, and Original 1972 Stereo Mix.

The 1972 Stereo Mix offers 192/24 and 48/24, along with Tracklist, Audio Options and Close — for discussion of the latter, read on.

Selecting the 2024 Mixes opens a menu with five options:

* Play 2024 Dolby Atmos Mix
* Play 2024 Stereo Mix (96/24 PCM)
* Track List
* Audio Options
* Close

The final three seem redundant — poor authoring? flawed flowchart? — as playing either mix should provide a track list, "audio options" pointlessly repeats the Atmos/Stereo option, while "close" shouldn't be needed as the "back" button on the remote should return the user to the previous menu. Unfortunately, however, it doesn't, so the user has to use the controller to navigate to "Close" in order to close the menu.

Another irritating aspect of the flawed navigation/menu system is that the user has to use a PS5 controller!

What the actual AF!?

My television remote works fine for audio on everything else, but due to poor authoring, the user has to have a "square" and a "triangle" key to access the navigation menu!

Another gripe, which may be idiosyncratic to my set-up, is that the PS5 will only play the Atmos mix while the audio settings are in passthrough mode — this means the user gets silence when attempting to play the stereo mixes. To actually hear the stereo mixes, the user has to leave the navigation menu, go into audio settings, and change "passthrough" to auto. Why doesn't the disc "pass through" the stereo mix? Is this also poor authoring, or is it a symptom of using a PS5 attached to a Samsung television hooked-up to a Sonos audio rig? Either way, it's another annoying feature of this latest re-issue of the 52-year-old Ziggy Stardust album.


The Atmos mix sounds fine btw, separation, and all that, clarity of instruments etc., but the experience is diminished by all the foregoing, and a few nice transitions between images from the Heddon Street photo shoot does little to alleviate the sense of inadequate authoring of this latest bit of product to fall off the assembly line.

Bong-bong ...

Wring-out yer dead ...


--
So who the fuck died and made you Grace Kelly?
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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2024-09-10 17:17:03(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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isn't a PS5 for games ?

i bought a Donna Summer CDS recently
it played fine on a DVD player
but try to rip it
it showed up on a laptop as a blank CD-R
one machine liked it
the other said
on yer bike

nine basic patents

how many releases of each album are there ?
then there's the RCA vs Ryko 'thing'
and
now the same things happening with Blue Rays = £££ $$$
ching
ching
ching

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eximPosted at 2024-09-10 17:23:55(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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professormouse wrote:

isn't a PS5 for games ?i bought a Donna Summer CDS recently it played fine on a DVD player but try to rip it it showed up on a laptop as a blank CD-Rone machine liked itthe other saidon yer bikenine basic patents how many releases of each album are there ?then there's the RCA vs Ryko 'thing'andnow the same things happening with Blue Rays = £££ $$$chingching ching

See discussion near the bottom of the comments here:
https://superdeluxeedition.com/interview/ken-scott-on-remixing-david-bowies-ziggy-stardust-album/

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2024-09-10 19:12:22(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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0, zero, Nil points for the packaging. Listened to the Stereo mix it's OK I suppose. Will hopefully listen to the Atmos via 5.1 tomorrow.

Steveboy


NO DISCUSSION I JUST WANT TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC
WANTED
FRANKFURT 1976
1978 REHEARSALS
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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2024-09-10 22:12:30(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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you still only have two ears
it's not new material
and all this talk
of different formats
make me want to spit a bubble towards the centre of the screen
what do you think about Young Americans as a bunch of 12'' Singles ?
all @45RPM so they become Disco Mixes by doing nothing ??

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2024-09-11 10:49:39(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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professormouse wrote:

you still only have two earsit's not new materialand all this talk of different formatsmake me want to spit a bubble towards the centre of the screenwhat do you think about Young Americans as a bunch of 12'' Singles ?all @45RPM so they become Disco Mixes by doing nothing ??

I got a PM 5.1 downmix to stereo :)  :)  :)  :)


NO DISCUSSION I JUST WANT TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC
WANTED
FRANKFURT 1976
1978 REHEARSALS
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StarmanPhillyPosted at 2024-09-11 23:30:36(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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I got the Blu-ray yesterday and been hoping to listen to it with my airpods, but i forgot my pc DVD player doesnt work with blu ray so i am unable to rip it from my DVD and put it on my phone  :-(  :-(

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StarmanPhillyPosted at 2024-09-11 23:31:13(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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Otherwise i heard the stereo mix on my tv and it sounded great, just been wanting to immerse myself n the dolby that i thought was suppose to been uploaded to streaming as said in annoucement

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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2024-09-12 01:33:28(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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so U do
do you find them 'flat' ?

"I saw it as a challenge from David."
'coz I found a way to convert the hour of SHHHHHHHH that some were moaning about
into something listenable
and all on free apps
I was quite serious about the 2/3 x 12'' idea btw.
There was a fashion from some labels to release that way.
the only problem is they tend to be 33rpm
which defeats the purpose

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nogginPosted at 2024-09-14 08:45:55(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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I also have the Atmos to stereo version. PM etc!

foobar2000 1.6.16 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1
log date: 2024-09-13 20:33:27

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Analyzed: David Bowie / The Rise & Fall Of Ziggy Stardust & Spiders From Mars
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DR         Peak         RMS     Duration Track
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DR13      -2.19 dB   -19.27 dB      4:46 01-Five Years
DR14      -2.94 dB   -19.80 dB      3:33 02-Soul Love
DR15      -1.93 dB   -19.90 dB      4:35 03-Moonage Daydream
DR12      -4.64 dB   -19.87 dB      4:10 04-Starman
DR12      -2.31 dB   -20.47 dB      2:57 05-It Ain't Easy
DR16      -2.04 dB   -20.67 dB      3:19 06-Lady Stardust
DR13      -3.95 dB   -18.99 dB      2:48 07-Star
DR13      -4.05 dB   -19.81 dB      2:29 08-Hang On To Yourself
DR16      -0.91 dB   -19.70 dB      3:13 09-Ziggy Stardust
DR14      -2.82 dB   -19.56 dB      3:25 10-Suffragette City
DR13      -3.76 dB   -21.05 dB      2:59 11-Rock 'N' Roll Suicide
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Number of tracks:  11
Official DR value: DR14

Samplerate:        44100 Hz
Channels:          2
Bits per sample:   16
Bitrate:           778 kbps
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PS Its worth a listen.

Last edited by noggin on 2024-09-15 08:09:11


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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2024-09-18 10:46:41(2 wks ago) (Bowie General / TRAFOZSATSFM 2024 Release)


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it's how the Ryko's must have sounded
:-@
"Quite alright !"
and lots of other little 'things' in the mix pop out

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