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damienjonesPosted at 2022-11-27 17:35:04(73 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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chrisnathou wrote:

Does anyone know why "Queen Bitch" was left out from the official ?

About "Queen Bitch" missing, I quote the book (p 52) :
"Unfortunately technical issues preclude "Queen Bitch" from this release".
Bottom line ("Circulez, il n'y a rien à voir" as we said in french).
?!?!

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aladinveinPosted at 2022-11-27 20:08:58(73 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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chrisnathou wrote:Does anyone know why "Queen Bitch" was left out from the official ?

About "Queen Bitch" missing, I quote the book (p 52) :"Unfortunately technical issues preclude "Queen Bitch" from this release".Bottom line ("Circulez, il n'y a rien à voir" as we said in french).?!?!

They used the audience recording to fill gaps in the soundboard tape so they could have added Queen Bitch as well.

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chrisnathouDonatedPosted at 2022-11-28 08:22:23(73 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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Well, not that we're not able to fill the gap by ourselves with the best version on BS, but as the entire recording is not perfect on the official, I wish they had put what they had in its entirety, with "Queen Bitch" as well... It's always a pity and quite frustrating when a recording isn't complete in my point of view... But better than nothing, isn't it ? :D
Thanks for the answers, I have the book but didn't have read it yet ;) A great package in my opinion, classy and interesting...

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damienjonesPosted at 2022-11-29 12:34:35(73 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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@chrisnathou

Totally agree with you !

About the real only unreleased track (for a long time collector of Bowie bootlegs), "King Of The City", we can say for sure it's a song written by the same guy who wrote "Ashes To Ashes"... ;)

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stuartreedPosted at 2022-11-29 12:39:36(73 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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I wouldn't be surprise if at some point a complete Aylesbury was be released - pure profit

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bowie78Posted at 2022-11-29 13:00:53(73 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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if a aylesbury soundboard was used why fill the gaps with the audience version?...the soundboard would have kept running just the same as a audience tape..have i got that right?

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-11-29 20:18:45(73 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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Any recording

bowie78 wrote:

if a aylesbury soundboard was used why fill the gaps with the audience version?...the soundboard would have kept running just the same as a audience tape..have i got that right?

Any recording can have problems at any time. Cable issues, dropouts, malfunction. Certainly in an ideal world the soundboard recording would have been continuous and of high quality throughout, but ...

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bofinken57Posted at 2022-11-29 20:53:49(73 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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i think the whole recording sucks, i have axpected a better one, its seems just like they had the volume to high och the mics to close to the mouth and instrument
and it is just a bit better than the remasterd bootleg version, so i am disapointed

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bowie78Posted at 2022-11-30 08:41:11(72 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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but any issues would not have taken place between the songs..hence the use of filling in between the songs with the audience copy...

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-11-30 12:10:48(72 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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Perhaps the sound guy was trying to save tape? :) Just focus on capturing the songs ... anything's possible, it was expensive back then.

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imperialPosted at 2022-11-30 16:07:43(72 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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Does anybody have a link the the Sounds Of The 70s Bob Harris set that is on the blu-ray (preferably in flac format?)

cheers

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neilwilkesPosted at 2022-12-12 12:32:06(71 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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imperial wrote:

Does anybody have a link the the Sounds Of The 70s Bob Harris set that is on the blu-ray (preferably in flac format?)cheers

Cannot post or share officially released material here - the site would get shut down.
This also may well apply to links for downloading such content too under the various new 'Online Safety' nanny state regulations.

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2022-12-12 16:38:54(71 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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neilwilkes wrote:

imperial wrote:

Does anybody have a link the the Sounds Of The 70s Bob Harris set that is on the blu-ray (preferably in flac format?)cheers

Cannot post or share officially released material here - the site would get shut down.This also may well apply to links for downloading such content too under the various new 'Online Safety' nanny state regulations.

Totally agree Neil we cannot take a chance anymore, We had a problem with the Lazarus show when that went up.

Steveboy
ADMIN


NO DISCUSSION I JUST WANT TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC
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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-13 13:30:00(71 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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Funny how the internet powers that be are clamping down on things like that, when Microsoft are at the same time pretty much trying to drive people to the subscription streaming services (who I am sure pay MSoft a lot of money in advertising fees etc helping encourage this) by not speeding up efforts to make Windows 11 more supportive to USB drives / USB plug-in CD drives. They have had a year to get it working properly.

What is the point of modern computers having multiple USB ports, if the company that somehow escaped the attention of the Monopolies and Mergers Commission are pretty much trying to deny people the ability to enjoy the CDs and DVDs they have bought through their pc (unless they power up an old, non Win 11 pc, offline)?

If anyone who has not experienced this is surprised / intrigued, try googling Win 11 won't recognize USB - there are a *lot* of search results for that.

Rant over :(

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neilwilkesPosted at 2022-12-19 12:41:40(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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It's caused by changing interface protocols - it started when XP went to ME and the whole way that XML libraries were handled that killed the Sonic/MEI DVD-Audio authroing tool, as so many authoring houses went to the newer OS for things like Scenarist SD without realising they were also killing their DVD-Audio authoring tool, as MS changed the way the OS worked with XML files and the whole MEI tool was built around the editing capability of XML files wrapped into several GUI.
It just did not ever run on anything newer than Windows XP.

Then we saw it with cellphone cords, then Apple messed around with Thunderbolt & MS joined in with USB. It's called Built-In Obsolescence.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-19 21:46:24(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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Got to admit I didn't understand much of that :) - but I know it'll be about right.

Thankfully my usb plug-in issues have steadied again - this time it seemed to have been triggered by a Cd-rot cd (that didn't appear to have rotted, but had) not being recognised by the pc and stopping EAC working and even any cd placed in the external cd drive being recognised either, for over 24 hours + (new pcs no longer have built in cd drives :( ).

I think my googling 'Windows 11 won't play fucking CDs' more than once might have triggered patches being sent my way to sort out the problem. Whatever happened to solve it - an update did occur in that time, thankfully the issue is now resolved. I still do have frightening moments here and there when the eject key for a USB drive doesn't do that it should - frightening because one external drive quickly wore out because of this (bye bye Western Digital, you had a year to make your hard drives more robust or withdraw products if they couldn't withstand the rigours of working with Win 11), thankfully I did get a refund for that though.

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neilwilkesPosted at 2022-12-22 14:33:10(69 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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Stranger09 wrote:

Funny how the internet powers that be are clamping down on things like that, when Microsoft are at the same time pretty much trying to drive people to the subscription streaming services (who I am sure pay MSoft a lot of money in advertising fees etc helping encourage this) by not speeding up efforts to make Windows 11 more supportive to USB drives / USB plug-in CD drives. They have had a year to get it working properly.What is the point of modern computers having multiple USB ports, if the company that somehow escaped the attention of the Monopolies and Mergers Commission are pretty much trying to deny people the ability to enjoy the CDs and DVDs they have bought through their pc (unless they power up an old, non Win 11 pc, offline)?If anyone who has not experienced this is surprised / intrigued, try googling Win 11 won't recognize USB - there are a *lot* of search results for that.Rant over :(

It is a tad hypocritical, isn't it.
Given the record labels these days are pressing fewer & fewer copies (claims of 'no interest' in physical releases are absurd - make it worth buying & people will oblige. This is how DGM operates, and it works - I know from experience) and trying ever more to drive people to 'Streaming On Demand' (or SOD as we shall refer to it from now on) and with every label wanting to go down the same path as the TV & Film companies have done where every possible channel has it's own SOD channel. This adds up fast & gets expensive - and the biggest drawback is that their libraries are too small in Film/TV, so once the trial periods are up each SOD tends to lose over 50% of it's 'subscribers'.
This will not work with music.
I was appalled at the way Big Tech basically blackmailed the industry into effectively giving away it's assets by telling them that they may as well license SOD legally as people will do it illegally if they do not.
Remember Napster, the initial streaming platform that caused all the furor in the first place? What - seriously - is the difference between Napster and, say Spotify or Apple Music? From the musicians point of view - almost none at all, as none will actually pay proper royalties and with the advent of SOD, musicians suddenly lost all control over their own songs and got almost nothing back in return, the label takes almost everything & there is not even any risk as the physical inventory - if it exists at all - is less than a tenth of what it was, yet everyone is using SOD on telephones and the bands & artists get sweet FA yet their music has a wider audience than ever before. Play live? Where, these days? Unless you have back catalogue and can sell out large arenas & stadiums with your reputation alone (oddly and ironically almost always built on physical sales numbers) you have nowhere to really play and still stand a chance of not losing money. The Music business is more than ever about the business & less about the music than ever before.

But this must stop now, asn I have utterly lost track of where this little rant was going, so it should end.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-23 00:00:54(69 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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[quote=neilwilkes]  
It is a tad hypocritical, isn't it.Given the record labels these days are pressing fewer & fewer copies (claims of 'no interest' in physical releases are absurd - make it worth buying & people will oblige. This is how DGM operates, and it works - I know from experience) and trying ever more to drive people to 'Streaming On Demand' (or SOD as we shall refer to it from now on) and with every label wanting to go down the same path as the TV & Film companies have done where every possible channel has it's own SOD channel. This adds up fast & gets expensive - and the biggest drawback is that their libraries are too small in Film/TV, so once the trial periods are up each SOD tends to lose over 50% of it's 'subscribers'.This will not work with music.I was appalled at the way Big Tech basically blackmailed the industry into effectively giving away it's assets by telling them that they may as well license SOD legally as people will do it illegally if they do not. Remember Napster, the initial streaming platform that caused all the furor in the first place? What - seriously - is the difference between Napster and, say Spotify or Apple Music? From the musicians point of view - almost none at all, as none will actually pay proper royalties and with the advent of SOD, musicians suddenly lost all control over their own songs and got almost nothing back in return, the label takes almost everything & there is not even any risk as the physical inventory - if it exists at all - is less than a tenth of what it was, yet everyone is using SOD on telephones and the bands & artists get sweet FA yet their music has a wider audience than ever before. Play live? Where, these days? Unless you have back catalogue and can sell out large arenas & stadiums with your reputation alone (oddly and ironically almost always built on physical sales numbers) you have nowhere to really play and still stand a chance of not losing money. The Music business is more than ever about the business & less about the music than ever before. But this must stop now, asn I have utterly lost track of where this little rant was going, so it should end.
[/quote]  

Sadly it does seem to ring true though.

I have read plenty of comments from artists big and small that back it up. :(

Hmm the quoting thing isn't working well on here, tried adding an extra quote, removing one, removing my original post you quoted, but...



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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2022-12-23 01:43:54(69 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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yeah and banks etc advertise on torrent sites
getting shut down is something mere mortals get with no argument

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neilwilkesPosted at 2022-12-23 08:42:54(69 wks ago) (Bowie General / aylesbury official recording)


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professormouse wrote:

yeah and banks etc advertise on torrent sites - getting shut down is something mere mortals get with no argument

Of Course it is!
Did you honestly ever expect anything apart from the usual 'Do as I say, not as I do'?

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