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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2022-12-16 19:24:49(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Jean-Henri wrote:

Can someone please share a torrent of this recording here?  Thanks.

Why can't you download from the we transfer link, it's so easy and quick, it cannot be torrented here sorry for the reasons already known.

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bofinken57Posted at 2022-12-17 06:12:19(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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isnt this the same version thats on the official dvd

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-17 13:00:28(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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bofinken57 wrote:

isnt this the same version thats on the official dvd

No, it is not. It's a different mix.

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bofinken57Posted at 2022-12-17 17:48:25(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Stranger09 wrote:

bofinken57 wrote:

isnt this the same version thats on the official dvd

No, it is not. It's a different mix.

okej but different in what way

and is it an audio or video broadcast

maybe its same as on the early bootler album, his masters voice ?

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interplayDonatedPosted at 2022-12-17 17:58:46(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Its the same source tape but the official dvd benefits from some modern noise reduction and EQ.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-18 00:04:17(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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interplay wrote:

Its the same source tape but the official dvd benefits from some modern noise reduction and EQ.

No. It is a different mix.

OK, here goes.

3rd July 1973 Bowie and The Spiders play the gig. The Mayhew tape captured the gig as was, in mono.

Mid '74, Bowie and Earl Slick (and maybe others, Tony perhaps?) added some overdubs - I think there may have been some 'post production' during the Pin Ups sessions or around that time too? I seem to remember reading in a book once that there was some work on the recording soon after.

3rd September 1974: 65 minutes of concert aired on TV + FM radio. Also other FM broadcasts occurred around that time without the dressing room bit dubbed over the end of Moonage Daydream.

Late 1974 or early 75? Live In London 3rd July 1973 released on Wizardo Records. This utilised one of the straight FM broadcasts (ie not the FM / TV simulcast, as Moonage Daydream was complete / intact). The album was subsequently repressed as His Master's Voice very soon after. These LPs did not include Ziggy Stardust or The Width of a Circle - presumably due to the difficulty in trying to repair the number of bleeps in Ziggy Stardust in the FM broadcasts, and the length of the latter song. The bleeps on other tracks - others also had bleeps of 'offending' words - were repaired by either substituting from the studio track, or simply editing out the bleeped part.

1979 - after quite possibly some further mixing - after all, Bowie revisited Panic in Detroit and Space Oddity at this time in the studio, I doubt he sanctioned a film version of the show without further tampering :) - a film version of this was shown at certain film events.

1983 a much remixed version of the show was released as Ziggy Stardust The Motion Picture. The video/laserdisc and LP versions had slight differences in mixing. The Jean Genie and Round 'n' Round were omitted from both versions.

2002 A further remixed version was released. This time the differences between the visual (DVD) and audio (LP / CD) versions were even more pronounced. The Jean Genie and Round 'n' Round were omitted from both versions, despite the fact that the album / CD packaging made reference to the Beatles publishing for Love Me Do, suggesting The Jean Genie was left off again at the last moment.


Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud in particular has six different mixes across the various releases / showings / airings - there are differences in whether the piano or guitars are more prominent, where and how loudly the flutes can be heard, etc.

Pre 1983 info above was gathered over time from authoritative Bowie books and websites, thus I feel it is as accurate as those are / were :).

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2022-12-18 09:19:20(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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I remember some of what Stranger is saying there, reading very similar reports etc etc. It was shown at the Edinburgh Film festival late 70's early 80s before the official release and I had a cassette that someone recorded in the audience from that film showing and it did sound very different to other, I no longer have that tape so can't confirm.

We need a definitive version officially released with the original recording not over dubbed etc etc.

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bowie78Posted at 2022-12-18 10:07:53(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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goes to show sometimes just leave it alone...all the tampering and such!

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bofinken57Posted at 2022-12-18 11:41:36(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Stranger09 wrote:

[quote=interplay] Its the same source tape but the official dvd benefits from some modern noise reduction and EQ.

No. It is a different mix.OK, here goes.3rd July 1973 Bowie and The Spiders play the gig. The Mayhew tape captured the gig as was, in mono.Mid '74, Bowie and Earl Slick (and maybe others, Tony perhaps?) added some overdubs - I think there may have been some 'post production' during the Pin Ups sessions or around that time too? I seem to remember reading in a book once that there was some work on the recording soon after.3rd September 1974: concert aired on TV + FM radio. Also other FM broadcasts occurred around that time without the dressing room bit dubbed over the end of Moonage Daydream.Late 1974 or early 75? Live In London 3rd July 1973 released on Wizardo Records. This utilised one of the straight FM broadcasts (ie not the FM / TV simulcast, as Moonage Daydream was complete / intact). The album was subsequently repressed as His Master's Voice very soon after. These LPs did not include Ziggy Stardust or The Width of a Circle - presumably due to the difficulty in trying to repair the number of bleeps in Ziggy Stardust in the FM broadcasts, and the length of the latter song. The bleeps on other tracks - most had bleeps of 'offending' words - were repaired by either substituting from the studio track, or simply editing out the bleeped part.1979 - after quite possibly some further mixing - after all, Bowie revisited Panic in Detroit and Space Oddity at this time in the studio, I doubt he sanctioned a film version of the show without further tampering :) - a film version of this was shown at certain film events.1983 a much remixed version of the show was released as Ziggy Stardust The Motion Picture. The video/laserdisc and LP versions had slight differences in mixing. The Jean Genie and Round 'n' Round were omitted from both versions.2002 A further remixed version was released. This time the differences between the visual (DVD) and audio (LP / CD) versions were even more pronounced. The Jean Genie and Round 'n' Round were omitted from both versions, despite the fact that the album / CD packaging made reference to the Beatles publishing for Love Me Do, suggesting The Jean Genie was left off again at the last moment.Wild Eyed Boy From Freecloud in particular has six different mixes across the various releases / showings / airings - there are differences in whether the piano or guitars are more prominent, where and how loudly the flutes can be heard, etc.Pre 1983 info above was gathered over time from authoritative Bowie books and websites, thus I feel it is as accurate as those are / were :). [/quote]

thank you for this great explanations

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bofinken57Posted at 2022-12-18 11:42:29(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Steveboy wrote:

I remember some of what Stranger is saying there, reading very similar reports etc etc. It was shown at the Edinburgh Film festival late 70's early 80s before the official release and I had a cassette that someone recorded in the audience from that film showing and it did sound very different to other, I no longer have that tape so can't confirm.We need a definitive version officially released with the original recording not over dubbed etc etc.Steveboy

I AGREE TO THAT

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Jean-HenriPosted at 2022-12-18 13:03:25(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Steveboy wrote:

I remember some of what Stranger is saying there, reading very similar reports etc etc. It was shown at the Edinburgh Film festival late 70's early 80s before the official release and I had a cassette that someone recorded in the audience from that film showing and it did sound very different to other, I no longer have that tape so can't confirm.We need a definitive version officially released with the original recording not over dubbed etc etc.Steveboy

I have part of the recording of songs not featured on the His Masters Voice album, which sound like they were recorded during a film viewing. The music sounds quite clear, but slightly distanced. On top of the concert you hear responses of people watching the film sitting  close to microphone. The pitch is too fast. But I am almost certain it is the same mix as the ABC recording shared with the wetransfer. I downloaded it here on Bowiestation shortly before it got deleted due to copyright.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-18 14:33:30(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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The weird thing is, much as I veer towards the 'leave it as it was' view, I do think the work they did on the concert up to Sep 74 was good: backing vocals made audible but not too obtrusive or sounding "here's some we did in the studio" as they did on the later mixes.

Anyway whatever I think - or any of us think - it's pretty much out of our hands and up to Bowie's manager and the record company I guess, we'll see what happens.

Hopefully something good ....

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shaman2364Posted at 2022-12-18 16:55:17(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Thank you.

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neilwilkesPosted at 2022-12-19 12:10:18(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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golly75 wrote:

Not sure if anyone has seen it, but there's a FLAC version of (I think) the full broadcast of the final Ziggy show from October 25 1974 in circulation, so it's the same 1974 mix that's the same as His Master's Voice.  It's only missing Watch That Man and Round and Round, and has all the US censoring in, but is quite interesting, as I'm not sure that the full broadcast has seen the light of day before, and its obviously a different mix from the released versions of the show?The downside is that there's some tape wobble/speed issues, and there are some strange track splits (Width of a Circle is split in two, with the second part labelled Queen Bitch) - I don't have the time, skill or probably the equipment to do it, but if someone fancies a "project" then this might be quite a nice one to try and tidy up the faults and make a nice version!It's not my upload, but here's the link with the information/background (I'm not sure the poster knows what they have really) - https://www.guitars101.com/threads/abc-tv-in-concert-fm-simulcasts-1972-1975-off-air-masters-new-to-circulation.786932/ or if you just want to skip straight to the files they're in a Google Drive folder (again not mine - the original poster's) - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1es2kgGgtdoqoqPpGMXKXzbtzDvrsR5Qu - the folder you want is folder 15...

Some really interesting stuff in there.
A shame the Ziggy gig carries the brutally edited versions of 'Width Of A Circle' (should be 14 minutes, not 8:29) & 'Moonage Daydream' (should be 7.28, not 6.14)

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neilwilkesPosted at 2022-12-19 12:13:51(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Steveboy wrote:

I remember some of what Stranger is saying there, reading very similar reports etc etc. It was shown at the Edinburgh Film festival late 70's early 80s before the official release and I had a cassette that someone recorded in the audience from that film showing and it did sound very different to other, I no longer have that tape so can't confirm.We need a definitive version officially released with the original recording not over dubbed etc etc.Steveboy

It's definitely a bit of a shambles - there's a shocker for Parlophone, huh?
Sounds like a good project for inclusion in a special edition 'Independent Production' we are planning....

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-19 22:03:08(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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neilwilkes wrote:

golly75 wrote:

Not sure if anyone has seen it, but there's a FLAC version of (I think) the full broadcast of the final Ziggy show from October 25 1974 in circulation, so it's the same 1974 mix that's the same as His Master's Voice.  It's only missing Watch That Man and Round and Round, and has all the US censoring in, but is quite interesting, as I'm not sure that the full broadcast has seen the light of day before, and its obviously a different mix from the released versions of the show?The downside is that there's some tape wobble/speed issues, and there are some strange track splits (Width of a Circle is split in two, with the second part labelled Queen Bitch) - I don't have the time, skill or probably the equipment to do it, but if someone fancies a "project" then this might be quite a nice one to try and tidy up the faults and make a nice version!It's not my upload, but here's the link with the information/background (I'm not sure the poster knows what they have really) - https://www.guitars101.com/threads/abc-tv-in-concert-fm-simulcasts-1972-1975-off-air-masters-new-to-circulation.786932/ or if you just want to skip straight to the files they're in a Google Drive folder (again not mine - the original poster's) - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1es2kgGgtdoqoqPpGMXKXzbtzDvrsR5Qu - the folder you want is folder 15...

Some really interesting stuff in there.A shame the Ziggy gig carries the brutally edited versions of 'Width Of A Circle' (should be 14 minutes, not 8:29) & 'Moonage Daydream' (should be 7.28, not 6.14)

Of the other stuff in those broadcasts - working through further I found Shawn Phillips (worked with Donovan, went to India with The Beatles) is an interesting new find to me, as is Roy Buchanon (I'm not a big blues fan, but I like some blues and his approach reminded me of Peter Green - great version of Hey Joe). I have found the Cat Stevens 1973 show can be found in stereo (on dime) but even there the stereo mix is a bit off, and the mono one here has some good things. I've started my own mix of the latter show :) . Thankfully much of the above share is stereo anyway, just not all though.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-19 22:05:49(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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neilwilkes wrote:

Steveboy wrote:

I remember some of what Stranger is saying there, reading very similar reports etc etc. It was shown at the Edinburgh Film festival late 70's early 80s before the official release and I had a cassette that someone recorded in the audience from that film showing and it did sound very different to other, I no longer have that tape so can't confirm.We need a definitive version officially released with the original recording not over dubbed etc etc.Steveboy

It's definitely a bit of a shambles - there's a shocker for Parlophone, huh?Sounds like a good project for inclusion in a special edition 'Independent Production' we are planning....

Good idea.

I did feel a little mean in retrospect re the mixes of the show: the 2002 mixes - both the DVD and CD/LP versions - do have some good things about them, however the mixing and approach is sadly inconsistent. Sometimes the mix seems back to basics / as it was, other times, there are mis-steps, and still loud backing vocals that sound so obviously done in a studio. Just pulling the latter back in the mix would have worked a lot better.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-21 23:15:59(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Just want to add once more there's some wonderful surprises on the multi artist download in the opening post.

While I have found personally I'm quite selective when it comes to people like Jackson Browne, Linda Ronstadt (a handful of things I love by the latter, but her 70's stuff largely passes me by), there's a couple of great performances by them in there.

But more importantly .... the Peter Yarrow Band - he does two songs from the Peter Paul and Mary days, the three song set from him is lovely! I feel I've been missing out but not having found things like this until now ... I do have a Peter Paul and Mary cd and a couple of LPs from them, but his little live set is delightful! The audience lap it up and I don't blame them ... it's wonderful as while there is a little wow and flutter (speed wobble) across these, once you tune it out / get used to that the warmth of the recording wins over. On the latter note - I did do some big searching for the songs by Jackson Browne and Linda Ronstadt from the March 74 broadcast that I enjoyed, to find them from other recordings of that show, if not other contemporaneous gigs, but what I did find just didn't match up in terms of performance and capture, even if technically what I did find was slightly better.

Last thing, the Peter Yarrow Band set has the song titles wrong -

  In Concert #29 Peter Yarrow Band March 1, 1974
7: only one river 3:57 = River of Jordan
8: you and I 4:59 = That's Enough for me
9: how time flies 3:37 = Old Father Time

So if any of you do investigate / listen further, there you go :)

Very glad my love of Bowie has led me to these other things! :)

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neilwilkesPosted at 2022-12-22 13:58:45(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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As the weekend has arrived, I think it's worth repeating that the *whole* FM share linked to above is very interesting.True, 10gig of shows by a variety of acts that may not appeal to all is not for everyone - but it's been a good ride so far. Alice Cooper - never fully took to him, and the show I listened to won't change that: I can see why Iggy once inferred his act was cartoon-ish (despite the fact he and Alice played golf together from what I read :)), but interesting nonetheless. The Chuck Berry show I've heard so far was great. The Lennon show was very good, and wiki showed me it's unlikely to be same performance that did get released (the afternoon show got released first, rather than the evening show), and I can see why Slade were seen as an exciting live act in the 70s. Now checking out some Jim Croce.The phrase "such vibrant times ... " from 'Spaced' keeps springing to mind :).

With you on that utterly, sir!
I had a quick look through the main text file and oh boy is there treasure in there.
What I would really like to get is an email address to discuss getting all his tapes re-transferred at 24/96 in order to fully preserve as well as restore. Even 24/48 would be fine, given these are FM recordings the use of 96k but only at 16-bit depth seems an odd choice to me - and I would gladly finance the transfer of this precious resource as well.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-22 15:38:26(70 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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neilwilkes wrote:

Stranger09 wrote:

As the weekend has arrived, I think it's worth repeating that the *whole* FM share linked to above is very interesting.True, 10gig of shows by a variety of acts that may not appeal to all is not for everyone - but it's been a good ride so far. Alice Cooper - never fully took to him, and the show I listened to won't change that: I can see why Iggy once inferred his act was cartoon-ish (despite the fact he and Alice played golf together from what I read :)), but interesting nonetheless. The Chuck Berry show I've heard so far was great. The Lennon show was very good, and wiki showed me it's unlikely to be same performance that did get released (the afternoon show got released first, rather than the evening show), and I can see why Slade were seen as an exciting live act in the 70s. Now checking out some Jim Croce.The phrase "such vibrant times ... " from 'Spaced' keeps springing to mind :).

With you on that utterly, sir!I had a quick look through the main text file and oh boy is there treasure in there.What I would really like to get is an email address to discuss getting all his tapes re-transferred at 24/96 in order to fully preserve as well as restore. Even 24/48 would be fine, given these are FM recordings the use of 96k but only at 16-bit depth seems an odd choice to me - and I would gladly finance the transfer of this precious resource as well.

Probably best to join guitars101 and message through there.

Some parts of it - the more well known / successful acts - are available in different versions (in some ways better, in other ways different / alternate) - but a lot of it is pretty unique.

For every reservation re the wow and flutter on some of it, and some of the broadcasts being mono captures - there's a wealth of music that is new to me, and also a more enjoyable listen than other contemporaneous broadcasts by the artists that I found.

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