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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2023-12-17 10:56:54(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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Morning, evening or afternoon where ever you are.

I've received an e-mail about a new vinyl release called 'Hot n' Spicey' which claims to be a mash up of 2 nights at the Chilli Pepper in Miami, or Fort Lauderdale if you like making it the complete track listing of the second night claiming to make up the complete show and the longest ever which it was I believe. My problem is when you check the track listings there are still songs missing namely 'I Can't Read' & 'Is It Any Wonder' I know back in the day there was supposedly a complete tape of this show which some how got lost [Interplay may know more also DAG 97 and 100PCB who released the CD version].

My dilemma is I don't want to spend money on this if it's not the same show or could make it up my self.
So is there a longer tape of the first night which has 23 songs that could in circulation??

Any thoughts before I purchase this [I probably wont as it it too expensive but...]

Here are the details of the new release.....

DAVID BOWIE

HOT'N'SPICY [Box set of 4 vinyl discs]

RECORDED LIVE AT THE CHILI PEPPER, FORT LAUDERDALE, OCT. 8TH 1997 AND "OCT. 7TH 1997
During the Earthling tour, on the second of back-to-back nights at the Fort Lauderdole nightelub "The Chill Pepper".
David Bowie decided to perform every different song he and his band had played on that tour.
On Oct. 8th, et"The Chili Pepper" in Ft. Lauderdale.
he decided to turn a supposedly normal gig into a concert lasting 3 hours and a half, his LONGEST EVER!
This unforgettable performance has sadly not been recorded in its entirety, anyway here you find almost the complete set.
obtained adding 4 songs from the first evening to the available recording of the second show.

DEAD MAN WALKING
QUIKSAND
I'M WAITING FOR THE MAN
ALWAYS CRASHING IN THE SAME CAR
THE SUPERMEN
MY DEATH
THE JEAN GENIE
IM AFRAID OF AMERICANS
STRANGERS WHEN WE MEET

FAME
THE HEARTS FILTHY LESSON
SEVEN YEARS IN TIBET
LOOKING FOR SATELLITES
UNDER PRESSURE
FASHION
HALLO SPACEBOY
SCARY MONSTERS (AND SUPER CREEPS)
LITTLE WONDER

ENCORE I:
PANIC IN DETROIT
THE VOYEUR OF UTTER DESTRUCTION (AS BEAUTY)
THE LAST THING YOU SHOULD DO
V-2 SCHNEIDER
BATTLE FOR BRITAIN (THE LETTER)
O SUPERMAN
WHITE LIGHT/WHITE HEAT
MOONAGE DAYDREAM

ENCORE 2:
QUEEN BITCH
TELLING LIES
LOOK BACK IN ANGER"
STAY
OUTSIDE
THE MAN WHO SOLD THE WORLD"
ALL THE YOUNG DUDES

Steveboy



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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-12-17 13:48:19(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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Sending you the 2 nights that I have, Steve.
I suspect you can make this yourself from what I am sending.....

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2023-12-17 14:53:57(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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Thanks Neil, I already have them but the tracks that are not on the 2nd night are not on the first either. Check the track listing on the discography section of the site.

I think I need a chat with interplay as this is his 'Holy Grail' if I remember correctly.

Steveboy



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interplayDonatedPosted at 2023-12-17 20:46:34(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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I believe that, as per the usual bootlegger rules, they've just downloaded what we've shared here and mixed it up and edited it around and screwed up the track listing in the process. The tape runs out during Stay, and even before that the taper began conserving tape by stopping between songs. Back around 2011 I looked at all the cut songs and found the closest mixed or performed captures of them and patched them in to make a version for myself and I think I may have shared it with DAG97 and Steveboy, can't remember.

I didn't write where I nicked the missing song parts from but they were mostly USA audience tapes.
Here's the track listing which shows what's missing and where the patches are:

_______________________________________________
Total Time                                156:54

Disc One                                  77:11

1 Dead Man Walking (acoustic) 03:09 (volume adjust near beginning)
2 Quicksand 04:45 (volume adjust near end)
3 The Supermen 04:46
4 Always Crashing In The Same Car 03:00
5 Waiting For The Man 05:18
6 My Death 09:02
7 The Jean Genie 07:01
8 Strangers When We Meet (end patched) 05:12
9 I'm Afraid Of Americans 05:19
10 Seven Years In Tibet 06:38
11 Fashion 07:05
12 Looking For Satellites 05:17
13 Fame 04:16
14 The Voyeur Of Utter Destruction (As Beauty) 06:07
15 fade-out track for end of disc 00:12

Disc Two                                  79:58

14 fade-in track for beginning of disc 00:05
15 Under Pressure 04:15
16 The Hearts Filthy Lesson (patched) 05:04
17 Hallo Spaceboy 05:08
18 Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps) 05:25
19 Little Wonder 06:27
20 introduction  to set 2 01:24
21 The Last Thing You Should Do 05:28
22 Battle For Britain (The Letter) 04:31
23 V2-Schneider (end patched) 06:52
24 Telling Lies (beginning patched) 05:12
25 White Light, White Heat 04:00
26 O Superman 09:43
27 Moonage Daydream (beginning patched) 05:20
28 introduction  to set 3 00:32
29 Queen Bitch 04:08
30 Outside 03:27
31 Stay (cuts) 02:51


Disc Three (Songs allegedly missing)               35:07

14 O Superman                             09:40
15 The Jean Genie                         04:36
16 Queen Bitch                            03:35
17 Hallo Spaceboy                         05:12
18 Scary Monsters (And Super Creeps)      05:27
19 Little Wonder                          06:37
_______________________________________________

So you can see right away that they've taken liberties or just plain screwed up the setlist.

But maybe this will get the powers that be to release the board tape, because you do not play the longest show of your career at age 50 and forget to roll tape.

do you?

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interplayDonatedPosted at 2023-12-17 20:50:01(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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By the way, this tape came via Arielle Caron, who listed it on her trade page. She was a big Tori Amos fan and likely the taper was a known in those circles. I've never found her or the original DAT taper ever again. But the show is hot shit as it is, anyway!

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2023-12-17 22:47:14(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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Interplay

Thanks for sorting that out we did speak about this previously I don't think I have the version you patched I do have the patched copy from you.
Thanks again

Steveboy


PS - Hopefully some one will rip this vinyl version when they get it

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marcelPosted at 2023-12-18 12:29:47(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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it ends with stay. I guess a full recording doesnt exits....

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V2DavidPosted at 2023-12-18 21:16:19(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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I don't think a true full recording exists.  I was lucky enough to have been at both shows.  I do remember thinking I would never see a better concert again in my life.  This still holds true 25+ years later, although I am thankful I did get to see Bowie perform a few more times live.

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V2DavidPosted at 2023-12-18 21:22:24(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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interplay wrote:

But maybe this will get the powers that be to release the board tape, because you do not play the longest show of your career at age 50 and forget to roll tape.do you?

Bowie knew he was going to do a longer show as he came out earlier then the prior night and joked about it.  I'm not sure he knew he was going to keep going though or just decided to just for the hell of it as the show went on.  He did end up doing EVERY song on the tour except one (which he did during the sound check).  My guess is he lost track of the songs and just forgot to do it.  Did Bowie record all of his shows?  This would certainly be the one to release.

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2023-12-19 07:22:45(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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Great in site to the shows thanks V2David.

I believe every show was recorded at the time and Carlos confirmed this in an interview.

Steveboy



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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2023-12-19 11:23:42(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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hi
no you don't play your longest gig ever without a tape rolling
just a thought
another is
how much of this show - in the right order - is on here ?
or is that still to happen ??

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2023-12-19 13:30:04(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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professormouse wrote:

hino you don't play your longest gig ever without a tape rollingjust a thoughtanother is how much of this show - in the right order - is on here ?or is that still to happen ??

This one
https://www.bowiestation.com/torrents-details.php?id=260



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V2DavidPosted at 2023-12-19 19:38:09(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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Don't know why the estate wouldn't look to release some of these shows then...  Instead of rehashing the same stuff over and over...

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interplayDonatedPosted at 2023-12-19 21:29:12(9 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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Its a niche market for live shows. Sure its there, but its not where the $ really come from.

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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2023-12-20 19:34:29(8 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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"wouldn't it be great if the wolf whistle guys weren't so loud"

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ramoanaPosted at 2024-01-21 02:19:27(4 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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I was there and got one of the first tapes of the show afterwards - you can see some info on the songs at the end of my write up - https://www.angelfire.com/fl/ramoana/close5.html

and I typed up a transcript of what Bowie said during the show. between songs, regarding how long the show would be, "have you got a few minutes?" etc. -

(if that helps) -

https://www.angelfire.com/fl/ramoana/close6.html

ps- I looked at my watch as I left the small venue of the Chili Pepper and it was 3 hours 45 mins long this show, very surreal before the show at the surprise signing as well.  Unbelievable and...

I made him laugh (a few times lol, plus he knew me from TW site before we were face to face)

See https://twitter.com/Ramoana/status/1420656651539976193/photo/1


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"If it itches, play it."
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EevardPosted at 2024-01-21 17:42:07(4 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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There's always that one person that manages to tape tnat whole gig and their tape gets eaten when they play it back.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2024-01-22 21:15:34(4 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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3 hours 45 minutes? His voice must have been shot by 2 and a half hours or so, surely?

I go to an open mic, do 2 songs then guitar down or step away from the piano, I've had enough:).

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interplayDonatedPosted at 2024-01-22 22:58:44(4 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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Just try "Singer's Saving Grace," from Chemical Bros.

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V2DavidPosted at 2024-01-24 14:59:06(3 wks ago) (Bowie General / Chilli Pepper 1997 - New Vinyl Release, but.....)


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He was drinking these little bottles of something to help with his voice.  He sounded great (as he always did) because his performances were always the best regardless of whether he could hit every note.

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