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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2024-03-23 17:26:13(2 wks ago) (Bowie General / Ziggy Box Track List)


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russellmael wrote:

The Spiders version of The Supermen is the one used on the Glastonbury Fayre album. It was on the Ryko Hunky Dory and ZS30 CD etc.The instrumental of Starman that the band mimed to on TOTP was recorded at Trident in June 1972. Musician Union rules of the day. It can be considered just another studio out take from the era for which they have the multitracks for so can remix it into stereo.

Where is that documented, Pegg's book? I had read that BBC musicians had to be involved due to those rules, but I think some artists managed to work around that sometimes.

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BesomdaveDonatedPosted at 2024-03-23 22:13:26(2 wks ago) (Bowie General / Ziggy Box Track List)


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Some bands used to go go into the  BBC studios to supposedly record the backing tracks for TOTP , but would then take the bbc engineer out for a few beers and substitute their own previously recorded backing track.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2024-03-23 23:33:52(2 wks ago) (Bowie General / Ziggy Box Track List)


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Brilliant!  :D

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MythicalkingDonatedPosted at 2024-03-25 09:24:42(2 wks ago) (Bowie General / Ziggy Box Track List)


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The marketing material for ‘Rock’n’Roll Star!’ suggests that there are a total of 28 previously unreleased tracks included in the box set. I’ve tried to work my way through the listed tracks to identify exactly what we might get for our money and how much of that is genuinely previously unreleased.

Disc 1 has 10 previously unreleased tracks:

So Long 60s (San Francisco Hotel Recording)/Hang On to Yourself (Demo)/Star (aka 'Stars' - Demo)/Soul Love (Demo and DB Spoken Notes)/Starman (Demo 1 Excerpt)/Starman (Demo 2)/Looking for a Friend (Arnold Corns Version - Rough Mix)/Haddon Hall Rehearsals Segue: Ziggy Stardust/Holy Holy/Soul Love/Star (aka 'Stars') (Haddon Hall Rehearsal)/Sweet Head (Haddon Hall Rehearsal)

Given the poor quality of the San Francisco Hotel recordings on the ‘Divine Symmetry’ release it’s very much “buyer beware” in terms of the opening ‘So Long 60s’. It looks as though the various demos are probably from the tape that Mick Ronson gave away and which was sold at auction last year.  Snippets from that tape found on youtube suggest that the quality isn’t bad but who knows whether any upgrading work has been done.  The Arnold Corns rough mix of ‘Looking For A friend’ is readily available in bootleg form and I can’t comment on the Haddon Hall rehearsals as I can’t find anything on them.

Disc 2 has just 4 previously unreleased tracks:

Ziggy Stardust (Sounds of The 70s: John Peel - rec. 1/11/1972)/Queen Bitch (Sounds of The 70s: John Peel - rec. 1/11/1972)/Waiting for the Man (Sounds of The 70s: John Peel - rec. 1/11/1972)/Lady Stardust (Sounds of The 70s: John Peel - rec. 1/11/1972)

All 4 of these tracks are available on an array of bootlegs – most notably o the ‘Nobody’s Children’ disc from the 3CD Essential David Bowie set.  I guess it all comes down to whether anything has been done to upgrade the sound.

Disc 3 has no previously unreleased tracks at all

Disc 4 has just the 1 previously unreleased track:

My Death (Live @ the Music Hall, Boston, MA – 10/1/1972)

The Boston tracks on the ‘Aladdin Sane  (30th Anniversary Edition)’ weren’t great sound-wise so we’re likely to get something of similar quality for a track that is already out there in similar audio quality on the ‘Music Hall Memories’ bootleg.

Disc 5 has 13 previously unreleased tracks:

Looking for a Friend (Arnold Corns Version - 2022 Mix)/Hang On to Yourself (Early Ziggy Session Take) Star (aka 'Stars') (Alternative Version - Take 5)/Lady Stardust (Alternative Version - Take 1)/Shadow Man (Ziggy Session Version)/The Supermen (Ziggy Session Version - 2023 Mix)/Holy Holy (Ziggy Session Version - Alternative Mix)/It's Gonna Rain Again (Ziggy Sessions Outtake)/Looking for a Friend (Ziggy Session Version)/Velvet Goldmine (Ziggy Sessions Outtake - 2022 Mix)/Sweet Head (Ziggy Session Outtake - 2022 Mix)/John, I'm Only Dancing (Alternative Trident Studios Version)/I Can't Explain (Trident Studios Version)

This disc is the most difficult to evaluate because who knows what “2022 Mix” or “2023 Mix” actually means or whether it’s a good thing or not.  I’m guessing that a chunk of this disc might come from the ‘Trident Tapes’ bootleg which may or may not have been tidied up and improved under the banner of a new mix but we’ll just have to wait and see!

Conclusions – My guess is that at best we are looking at a disc and half of stuff that we potentially haven’t heard before with little grounds for confidence that it will be in anything like pristine audio quality.   I hope that I am proved wrong because the ‘Ziggy’ album means so much to me that: a) I am simply going to have to buy this expensive box-set anyway, and, b) it would be criminal for such an iconic album to be shabbily commemorated.

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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2024-03-25 10:25:08(2 wks ago) (Bowie General / Ziggy Box Track List)


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"Given the poor quality of the San Francisco Hotel recordings on the ‘Divine Symmetry’ release"

why thank you
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PortlandbillPosted at 2024-04-10 16:36:19(2 days ago) (Bowie General / Ziggy Box Track List)


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I am intrigued by So Long 60s (San Francisco Hotel Recording) does anyone think that this hs been left off the Songwriting demos plus 1st CD on the 2022 - Divine Symmetry (2022 NSR 4CD edition) which includes two other tracks fom the San Fran Hotel WFTM and QS. I feel this might have been done on purpose to spare us the indignity of listening to a poor recording. However saying that WFTM is slightly better than QS.

PB.

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2024-04-10 18:15:20(2 days ago) (Bowie General / Ziggy Box Track List)


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Portlandbill wrote:

I am intrigued by So Long 60s (San Francisco Hotel Recording) does anyone think that this hs been left off the Songwriting demos plus 1st CD on the 2022 - Divine Symmetry (2022 NSR 4CD edition) which includes two other tracks fom the San Fran Hotel WFTM and QS. I feel this might have been done on purpose to spare us the indignity of listening to a poor recording. However saying that WFTM is slightly better than QS.PB.

Just reading the UNCUT mag review and apparently it ended up becoming Moonage Daydream If I remember correctly with different lyrics and yes from the same as source as Divine Symmetry.
Its worth buying the mag 12 pages on the box set.

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