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neilwilkesPosted at 2022-12-23 08:44:41(122 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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The wow/flutter is an artifact of C120 tapes, which were always too thin and stretched relatively easily. They were never recommended for music use because of this.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-30 21:46:05(121 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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golly75 wrote:

Not sure if anyone has seen it, but there's a FLAC version of (I think) the full broadcast of the final Ziggy show from October 25 1974 in circulation, so it's the same 1974 mix that's the same as His Master's Voice.  It's only missing Watch That Man and Round and Round, and has all the US censoring in, but is quite interesting, as I'm not sure that the full broadcast has seen the light of day before, and its obviously a different mix from the released versions of the show?The downside is that there's some tape wobble/speed issues, and there are some strange track splits (Width of a Circle is split in two, with the second part labelled Queen Bitch) - I don't have the time, skill or probably the equipment to do it, but if someone fancies a "project" then this might be quite a nice one to try and tidy up the faults and make a nice version!It's not my upload, but here's the link with the information/background (I'm not sure the poster knows what they have really) - https://www.guitars101.com/threads/abc-tv-in-concert-fm-simulcasts-1972-1975-off-air-masters-new-to-circulation.786932/ or if you just want to skip straight to the files they're in a Google Drive folder (again not mine - the original poster's) - https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1es2kgGgtdoqoqPpGMXKXzbtzDvrsR5Qu - the folder you want is folder 15...

Woooahh  ... finally got through listening to the entire download.

I did delete some bits which didn't fit my personal taste (not without trying at least some listening first). On that note, I almost felt ill listening to Sparks at first, but even before they got to 'Amateur Hour', a song I remembered long ago thinking wasn't bad, I began to see / hear what they were about a little more. Always thought This Town Ain't Big Enough for the Both of Us was a great composition, and respect to them for their brilliant little performance of it at a London station that went a bit viral a few months back. Anyway, their little show became a keeper.

Re those where the sound quality spoilt it - these were in the minority. About 60% or more of the broadcasts are in stereo. Most of those that are mono are still clear. Wow and flutter blights some recordings, but in many cases a song or two was spoilt by this, but others less so, and the power of the band's performance and the capture itself meant that minor blemishes were rendered unimportant by what matters, the music.

The Bowie set, by the way, is not as stellar sound quality as the 'His Master's Voice / Live in London July 3, 1973' original bootleg LP, but better than the other FM tape of it that also included Ziggy Stardust and Width of a Circle (I did eventually find an old download / fileset of the latter that I had).

Many pleasant surprises / new finds, some of which were bands I knew of and already appreciated but found out how good they could be live, others got the feeling, should have heard this before!

Great sets by acts I knew of and liked to varying extents already -

Roxy Music
Chuck Berry (great live sets here, despite his reputation as a very variable live performer due to using pick up bands / changing keys etc without warning)
The Kinks
Melanie
Humble Pie (very powerful live!)
Slade (ditto)
John Sebastian
Sly and the Family Stone
Donovan
Leo Sayer
The Guess Who
Jim Croce
Allman Brothers
Steve Miller Band
Linda Ronstadt

Good new stuff to me / acts I had sometimes heard of before, but not really heard their music much til now

Loggins and Messina
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
Triumvirate
Roy Buchanan
Shawn Phillips
Grand Funk Railroad
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Foghat
Rick Wakeman
Peter Yarrow Band

It's worth noting that in some cases those above I had heard of, but been put off by lukewarm / dismissive comments about them, and/or my own musical prejudices. Nice to be challenged and proved wrong sometimes :).

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2022-12-30 22:00:41(121 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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neilwilkes wrote:

The wow/flutter is an artifact of C120 tapes, which were always too thin and stretched relatively easily. They were never recommended for music use because of this.

I see now that 120s were used more than once, thing is only folder 18 and a couple of others were badly affected by wow and flutter at least to the point of a lot of said folder of recordings being insufferable.

I am often very fussy about that, but I often notice it affects even high quality-ish recordings - and often in that case I think it's more to do with the technology used overall than old 120 tapes. Sometimes even a singer with a good voice cannot hold a note steadily which can sound a bit like wow and flutter to fussy ears! Overall on these tapes the majority were not ruined by this issue to my ears anyway, and I often habitually delete recordings which suffer from it.

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-01-01 13:44:25(121 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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I recall back in the day that C120 were too thin and prone to stretching, and that either C60 or C90 were the way forwards for music or critical recordings.

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2023-01-01 20:30:30(121 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Agree totally with the above - I remember that too. Thing is, while the use of 120 tapes in the recordings here doubtlessly contributed to wow and flutter issues, thankfully it didn't thwart the majority of said recordings.  :)

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paulybaulsDonatedPosted at 2023-01-26 21:48:47(117 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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I've had a go at a restoration in case anyone is interested, I'll leave a taster track here (ziggy stardust)

https://we.tl/t-BKVdzmqDjV

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-02-05 13:35:50(116 wks ago) (Bowie General / Final Ziggy Show - 1974 ABC In Concert Broadcast Version)


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Steveboy wrote:

Here is a link to an edited copy, i've removed the non Bowie stuff and joined the medley, width of a circle as should beStevehttps://we.tl/t-TfshezZDOg

Thanks, Steve.
My copy was claiming that the 2nd part of 'Width Of A Circle' is 'Queen Bitch'
It's still a butchered version though as the full length track should be 15:45 run time, not just over 11 minutes. I'm trying to put together a decent Blu-ray of this show but sorting out the large number of different versions out there is making it a hard task

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