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spyprettygirlPosted at 2016-01-13 10:13:09(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)
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In light of all that has occurred, I think I have a good idea what the title Blackstar means.  I know what some articles have said, and I don't agree, but it got me thinking.  

But first I'd like to hear what you guys think...then I'll tell you what I think...maybe one of you is thinking along the same lines.

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jonesnatalyPosted at 2016-01-13 20:21:57(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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I wonder what you have in mind. I have no ideas myself :/

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2016-01-13 20:39:56(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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Well I heard that it's what they call a 'cancer growth' when they find one

UK TV Today

Steveboy

PS Have no idea otherwise



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jhmPosted at 2016-01-13 22:09:21(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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Not my original idea, but someone posted this elsewhere.  Perhaps Mr. Jones was aware of this song?

If not, perhaps it's a old theme I'm not familiar with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_UHZ_62GCI

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MBFPosted at 2016-01-13 22:15:16(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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Interesting theory as one of the comments states "when a man sees his black star, he knows, he knows his time has come".

I've never heard of "black star" being used in this context before. There again, I'm not an Elvis fan!  :)

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2016-01-13 22:22:25(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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There we go then !! :(



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dogster2410Posted at 2016-01-13 22:26:47(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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i feel sure that when recording the next day there was a possibility david knew there was an issue
i have long listened to his music and love to try and work out whats going on
the recall od the berlin place names and stations along with that reference to you know you know you know
where are we now

i will miss the brightness and the music we have been robbed of
but relish all he has left behind

while i am here
.......i am trying to find a torrent of torquay 1972
possibly this is the lacarno bristol 1972
anybody know ???

alway will be yours david
say hello to marc for me !
doug

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MBFPosted at 2016-01-13 23:27:50(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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dogster2410 wrote:

i feel sure that when recording the next day there was a possibility david knew there was an issue

Yes, I agree with you. It's only when I thought about it that I realised he had had a carer hiatus for 9 years with only one live appearance and then 'suddenly' The Next Day gets issued followed by a final flurry of work before his death. I did wonder if he'd been diagnosed with cancer a lot earlier (assuming the reports are correct) and was desperately fighting it which could explain the long absence.

Something I'll never know I guess unless one of the family says something at some point in the future.

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jonesnatalyPosted at 2016-01-13 23:43:42(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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It kinda makes sense in the context now...

But was it what spyprettygirl meant?

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mrrubbishPosted at 2016-01-14 02:12:00(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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http://thevillaoformen.tumblr.com/?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

Some interesting images on this page.  A solitary candle. Somebody stepping into a wardrobe.
Was David setting us a puzzle?

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scruffymurphPosted at 2016-01-14 02:37:05(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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Hi Spyprettygirl,

I do not think it means just one thing.

Because of the shared birthday, DB was always conscious of Elvis, so I think it must include a wink to the Elvis song and knowing your time has come. Because he knew his time was coming via cancer, I think it also refers to the use of blackstar indicating the presence of cancer. So, knowing your time has come because of cancer.

In the video we see the sun (a star) obscured by a black eclipse, meaning light/inspiration/life has been eclipsed by death. but it still shines around the edges.

Finally, black culturally has a couple of values, including 'evil' and 'death'. I don't think DB thought he was evil, but he knew death was not far away. DB has continually punned on 'star' in an astronomical and 'star' in a move/rock star sense. So I think blackstar at one level means 'dead rock star'.

So, in summary, I think blackstar means 'dead rock star who knew he was going to die of cancer whose light of inspiration has been extinguished by death, except he's still a star.' Quite, quite true, really.

Shine on.

scruffy

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jonesnatalyPosted at 2016-01-14 03:54:32(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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Well said, scruff  O:-D

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jonesnatalyPosted at 2016-01-14 03:55:41(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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mrrubbish wrote:

http://thevillaoformen.tumblr.com/?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=maSome interesting images on this page.  A solitary candle. Somebody stepping into a wardrobe.Was David setting us a puzzle?

Regarding this - it can be anything...
This page could have been created by a fan after watching the Blackstar video, for example.

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spyprettygirlPosted at 2016-01-14 05:14:20(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)
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Wow you guys blew my original puny idea out of the water.  My original thought was something along these lines:

BlackStar could be a simple renaming of a Dark Star / Dark matter  and also, being that he was a "StarMan" / space themes throughout his career, this also is his definition of the afterlife/heaven - just simply an antimatter state.  

Maybe it could be all these things simultaneously.

Guess what, I also found this http://souleater.wikia.com/wiki/Black%E2%98%86Star  that states that Black Star is an "Assassin"

This is the first day big old tears haven't rolled down my face, multiple times.  But, the day's only half over.

Liora

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spyprettygirlPosted at 2016-01-14 05:22:29(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)
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just archiving more info for us to tease this out a little more

https://jamshedaliblog.wordpress.com/2016/01/12/what-is-the-villa-of-ormen/

What is the ‘villa of ormen’?
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What is the ‘villa of ormen’?
There seems to be an Ormen village in Norway. Also ‘Ormen’ as a word is the plural of ‘Orm’ which means worm, grub, or maggot. Also there is a wiki article on ‘Ormen Lange’ which apparently means ‘long serpent’ – so I suppose Ormen can mean serpent too? The Long Serpent was a ship.The Ormen Lange article talks about a Christian crusade across Norway and in the story king Olav tries to convert King Raud, King Raud rejects Christianity and is killed in a very graphic death involving a snake. King Olav takes King Raud’s ship – Ormen Lange – the long serpent.In Olav’s last battle he used the ship.How does this tie in with the song ‘Blackstar’? We hear a lot about deathbed conversions, is this a rejection of faith by Bowie on his deathbed?The solitary candle is life going out. The day of execution is death. The skull is likely Major Tom/ Bowie. The ritual is an attempt to resurrect Bowie. At the end of the video is a monster – perhaps the resurrection goes wrong. The lyric that really confuses me is ‘at the center of it all – your eyes’. I can’t really make sense of that.Very cryptic song.

Hum Tv Dramas Lyrics 2015
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someone else wrote this, which I found interesting on November 19 2015, 4:42 PM

"[still] can't get over Norway!"



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spyprettygirlPosted at 2016-01-14 05:55:06(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)
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the closet image at theVillaofOrmen.tumblr.com was posted Dec. 10th, 2015

I cannot get images to work at this site, but here's the link

http://thevillaoformen.tumblr.com/post/134917394847

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paperdragonPosted at 2016-01-14 06:01:11(428 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)
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A Black star is not only the term for a cancerous lesion, it is also a star on the verge of becoming a singularity.



...and then my mind split open.
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jonesnatalyPosted at 2016-01-14 16:39:47(427 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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paperdragon wrote:

A Black star is not only the term for a cancerous lesion, it is also a star on the verge of becoming a singularity.

I like that idea.
Also, black star is the star that doesn't emit light, it's a 'black hole'. Black holes are 'greedy bastards', so to speak, they won't let anything leave them, even the light... Stuff to think about for me...

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paperdragonPosted at 2016-01-14 17:14:46(427 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)
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Not quite. A black star becomes a singularity. A singularity may become a black hole.



...and then my mind split open.
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MBFPosted at 2016-01-14 17:59:52(427 wks ago) (Bowie General / What do YOU think Blackstar means?)


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jonesnataly wrote:

Also, black star is the star that doesn't emit light, it's a 'black hole'. Black holes are 'greedy bastards', so to speak, they won't let anything leave them, even the light... Stuff to think about for me...

So, are you saying you're greedy and no-one ever leaves you?! Sounds scary in a stalker kind of way! Does steve23yh now have to start looking over his shoulder now you've met him...?! :D

paperdragon wrote:

Not quite. A black star becomes a singularity. A singularity may become a black hole.

My head hurts... :-(

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