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homebrewPosted at 2023-07-22 19:10:14(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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A member asked in the shoutbox what happened to Mind Warp Pavilion. If I remember correctly one the mods of that tracker (Chris I believe?) who lived on the Gulf Coast suffered a catastrophic loss of his collection during a hurricane. There were other issues that quickly followed that gave them no choice but to give it up and close the site.

Mind Warp Pavilion itself rose from the ashes of the first David Bowie dedicated tracker called Savage Jaw which only lasted 18 months. I remember when I discovered Savage Jaw it was like manna from the heavens! I rejoiced when MWP opened up and then I figured with the loss of that tracker that the good times were over. Thankfully along came Bowie Station!

Here is some info on Savage Jaw. It comes from the info files in nearly every copy of the Savage Jaw Archives shared on sites everywhere.

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Towards the end of the 1990's affordable home computers, CD copiers and internet connections forever changed the way that many music collectors traded their recordings. It became so much easier to contact other collectors from around the world without having to wait weeks for replies to letters, trades to be agreed and tapes to be copied, dispatched and delivered. Contacts could be made quickly and copies could be sent out quickly too. Unfortunately, the mail was still quite slow but it was all a big improvement in the opinion of many of us.

A group of traders would hang out at Ziggy In Concert forum and from there would get to know each other, arrange trades and generally have some fun whilst waiting for the mail to arrive.*


Move the clock forward to 2004 by which time many of us had "super quick" 512kbps home "broadband" and had become familiar with BitTorrent which enabled us to get recordings sometimes in hours rather than weeks. The focus for music collectors had moved once again. We were crying out for a Torrent site which specialised in the artist whose music had brought us all together, namely David Bowie.

Goodness only knows how much work went on behind the scenes but on April 1st 2004, Savage Jaw opened it's doors, inviting everyone in to join the swarm and enjoy David Bowie "At The Atlantis". Not everybody saw this development as a good thing but the vast majority welcomed the site and the recordings with open arms. Throughout it's relatively short lifespan, Savage Jaw operated strictly to the motto "Where Quality Counts". Everything available through the site was the very best available to us. Sadly, Savage Jaw as a Bowie Torrent site closed it's doors around August 2005 but left a legacy of which those involved can be justifiably proud.
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""I don't begrudge any artist for finding an audience"
- David Bowie abt. 1987
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EevardPosted at 2023-07-22 23:40:46(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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Thanks!

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JanErikPosted at 2023-07-23 04:28:56(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)
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Short info about MWP:

In May 2015 the former website Mindwarp Pavillion (MWP) went offline after mainly serving the Bowie community for 9 years. That sites admin, Chris Moffet (bewley), sadly passed away in the summer of 2014. A week before the demise of MWP, the moderators made the announcement that the site was probably going down. A few days after MWP went offline, Bowie Station was launched.

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homebrewPosted at 2023-07-23 14:45:15(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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Thanks for filling in the missing info. I wasn't 100% positive about what happened to Chris and so I didn't even speculate just in case I was wrong.


""I don't begrudge any artist for finding an audience"
- David Bowie abt. 1987
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attfieldDonatedPosted at 2023-07-23 22:20:47(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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If i'm right, here's where it began, i'm pretty sure Savage Jaw emerged from this site. (I was wrong see below.)

https://web.archive.org/web/19991001153515/http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Amphitheatre/7446/

I ran the Shadowman website and teamed up a bit with Chris in the late 90s.
David Priest (RIP) was providing me with occasional unreleased tracks, and Ruud from the IdbD and the wonderful Maarten would also send me the odd cassette to plug some gaps.

Those were wonderful days.

Edit - different Colin.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030205033930/http://www.savagejaw.com/index2.htm
This is where Savage Jaw began :)

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damienjonesPosted at 2023-07-23 23:34:46(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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Hello !
Thank you about all these infos.
I was a Savage Jaw and MWP member.
I also remember Shadow Man website !

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-07-24 09:55:02(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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I was also a member at Savage Jaw & Hunger City too.
Fond memories.
I've even got the entire Savage Jaw Archive.......

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paperdragonPosted at 2023-07-24 17:27:04(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)
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As for this site, we couldn't let MWP die without a response, could we?

So, Jan Erik took on the task, but needed help. I found the tracker software and sent a link to Jan Erik. MossGarden did the logo, which effectively locked in the colors and theme. As JE began to modify the software, I took on the task of changing the look of the site. Out of the box it looked, as JE perfectly described it, like a "Swedish Warez Site." Blue/Yellow/White and ugly as hell. Using MossGarden`s logo as a guide, I did the visible part while Jan Erik did the back end.

Though features have been added over the years (by JE) the two of us had the tracker up and running in roughly a week.

JE, we need to talk. I still have those last few pages to do, then I`d like to tackle the gallery.

Dennis


...and then my mind split open.
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bofinken57Posted at 2023-07-24 20:38:43(124 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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we have a lot to thank you for Chris Moffet (bewley) and jan-erik

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-07-28 13:02:45(123 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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MWP was a superb place, never mind how it all looked - it was the content that mattered & you guys did a sterling job.

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CosmicJiveDonatedPosted at 2023-07-28 18:14:21(123 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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Ah the Ziggy in Concert site. I was quite active on that back in the day. I traded recordings with people from all around the world. Chris was very generous. I remember I really wanted a video copy of one the NIN bowie shows he had. But I hardly had anything to trade( he already had such an huge collection) . So he sent the video anyhow, because of my contributions to the discussions on his site. Very sweet of him.

Those were some great years. Not many people had internet, but it already was this magnificent medium connecting like minded people worldwide.

What I liked about ZiC was the emphasis on quality. If I remember right Chris would encode a boot in VBR mp3 and put it in parts on MP3freediskspace.com or something like that. It took ages to download just one boot. But totally worth it.

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interplayDonatedPosted at 2023-07-30 19:46:45(123 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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Someone should archive all that stuff before its actually gone.
I think the Tigers On Vaseline page was indeed "the beginning" even though tape trading predated it by umpteen years.

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homebrewPosted at 2023-07-31 01:15:26(123 wks ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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interplay wrote:

Someone should archive all that stuff before its actually gone.I think the Tigers On Vaseline page was indeed "the beginning" even though tape trading predated it by umpteen years.

Look for the "Savage Jaw Archives". It's not everything but there is a lot. Each volume contains 6 to 8 shows and there are18 volumes. All can be found on this site:

https://www.bowiestation.com/torrents-search.php?search=%22Savage+Jaw+Archives%22&cat=0&incldead=0&freeleech=0&lang=0

And also at Guitars 101

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brigstowPosted at 2025-12-10 17:21:21(1 hr ago) (Bowie General / Savage Jaw background info)


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Hi everyone, just came across this post which I thought was interesting, and it made me smile. I think I can add some more info here on the beginnings of Savage Jaw.

My name is Colin Creaven, and I started Savage Jaw.

As with most older Bowie fans here, I was the into the usual Tape Trading for bootleg shows. When computers became the in thing to have in your home I started looking to make more contacts for trading, then naturally I started trading CDs. My first foray into media sharing online was with Real Audio files, along with some other like-minded people, some of whom are mentioned in posts above. I was trading CDs with a large group of people worldwide, and Baby Bewlay was one of them. His website forum Ziggy In Concert was a natural meeting place for us traders.

One day while training at the Gym, a guy started to tell me about Bit Torrent, and how it was about to change how us CD traders did things. He gave me the address of the admin at one of the original torrent sites, which I think eventually morphed into Dime A Dozen. There I got the source code to start my own bit torrent site, but was stumped with most of the coding skills needed to customise it to what I wanted. This was when Baby Bewlay offered to help. With Chris's help I managed to get Savage Jaw up and running.

I coerced a few more friends to help out with artwork, seeding and anything else that needed doing and we gathered as many quality recordings as we could find, either by trading or visiting CD Fairs and buying factory-pressed discs. We usually started a private torrent so that we all had a copy, so when it went public we had plenty of seeders to share the recordings quicker. I think that 99% of the decisions made within Savage Jaw were mine alone, good or bad. My one thought was that only the best recordings should be put online to share, thus the tagline became "Where Quality Counts". A lot of work went into Savage Jaw, and I thank the small group of friends who worked very hard to make it the best we could.

As with most things that start to become successful, we had made a few enemies with the original sellers of bootlegs, online and in real life. Then I started to get letters from actual companies involved with copyright ownership. I remember a nice little run-in with some big cheese from Virgin Radio who had written to me (snail mail) after we put some show they had broadcast up on our site. Despite ringing him personally and trying to persuade him to see things from the fans side, and how bootlegs were a good thing, and how we were actually promoting Virgin Radio by not cutting out the Radio identification trailers on our recording, he didn't give in at all. Eventually some of the threats started to sound like they were getting serious, but I wasn't panicked yet, mainly because I was an "arrogant cunt" - these words actually came from 100% British, he also called me a prick, but somehow we managed to get along and even traded shows with each other.

At the same time my web hosting guy called me and stated he didn't really know what Savage Jaw was, but felt it was probably illegal. He then gave me until the end of my paid hosting to find somewhere else. Meanwhile, Chris and a few others were very vocal in where they thought the direction of Savage Jaw should go, art galleries were mentioned, along with a new forum, and many more ideas. I myself did not agree with these changes proposed, I wanted Savage Jaw to only do one job, and do it better than anyone else. With all these things happening, and Chris determined to start his own Bowie Torrent site, I decided to close Savage Jaw and take a rest, this decision again was 100% mine.

Once Chris had Mind Warp Pavilion up and running I returned and worked behind the scenes, to once again help the group make the best site possible for the fans. As usual, I made a few decisions that were not exactly what Chris wanted, for example, when I saw people selling the Toy bootlegs online with the caveat they could not share it, I immediately uploaded to MWP without thinking whether Chris would agree with it, he eventually did so all was good. Sadly, Chris eventually became quite ill and was unable to participate in the running of the site on a daily basis. After he passed, we discovered that no-one had the password to the site in order for anyone to continue, and eventually it closed. As a group of friends, we still had our own Secret Internet Talking Arena that Chris started, and we still remain loosely in contact with each other today.


Another tid-bit for you all - I have a very vague and foggy memory that when this site first started it was called something else, I want to say Station To Station, but it may have been something very similar. I was in contact with the admin here and also some guys over at Bowie Audio, so when the call came about for name suggestions for the new site, I remember suggesting Bowie Station. Now I'm not saying I'm the only one who may have suggested that, or that the admin may even have of thought of it himself, but I like to think I nudged in the right direction maybe, (I really hope I haven't lost my marbles and imagined it).

Thanks for your time, and Love On Ya!
Brigstow

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