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Jean-HenriPosted at 2023-03-18 22:56:04(61 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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I am looking for a torrent of - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Ziggy show from October 25 1974.

I would like to burn this recording to cdrs. But my old laptop  no longer supports wetransfers, but luckely it still supports torrents. Thanks!



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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2023-03-19 12:12:05(61 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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Strange we transfer doesn't work on a new laptop, It's usually the other way around.

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NO DISCUSSION I JUST WANT TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC
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FRANKFURT 1976
1978 REHEARSALS
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Jean-HenriPosted at 2023-03-19 15:54:22(61 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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Steveboy wrote:

Strange we transfer doesn't work on a new laptop, It's usually the other way around.Steveboy

I wrote wetransfer no longer works on my old laptop. This old laptop is my only device that still has a cd burner. Hence my request for a torrent of the ABC broadcast of Ziggy's farewell concert. Thank you.

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SteveboyDonatedPosted at 2023-03-19 18:49:13(61 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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Sorry miss-read

My mistake

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NO DISCUSSION I JUST WANT TO LISTEN TO THE MUSIC
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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-03-20 15:27:46(61 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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That broadcast isn't actually complete - just thought I ought to mention it.

@Jean-Henri, why is WeTransfer not working though?
It should - it is web based and not software reliant so I don't understand.
Would you be able to try again?

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TimBucknallPosted at 2023-04-19 20:20:47(57 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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Hi chaps,
thanks for approving my membership of this wonderful group
I've already downloaded a Soundboard i never knew existed
apologies for the typical scrounging newbie post following,

I'd love to get my hand on this new tape of the ABC broadcast  of Hammersmith 73
this has always been my preferred version of this gig

I've searched all the torrents ("the dead ones and the living";) and i just can't see it

as well as being just plain excited to hear an upgrade of the HMV boot LP source
I'm really curious to see if my mate can decode the Quadraphonic signal (assuming this is recorded off KLOS 95.5 )

hoping someone can point me in the right direction
very best wishes, thanks in advance

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dlgladwinDonatedPosted at 2023-04-20 09:20:12(57 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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@Jean-Henri

Couldn't you just download onto your new laptop, then transfer the files to your old one and burn from there?

Sorry if I'm missing something obvious here.

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russellmaelPosted at 2023-04-23 15:40:07(56 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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If anyone is able to PM me a good audio rip of the original ZSMP VHS rip I'd be eternally grateful. Not the DVD, mind.

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-04-26 11:33:10(56 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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russellmael wrote:

If anyone is able to PM me a good audio rip of the original ZSMP VHS rip I'd be eternally grateful. Not the DVD, mind.

The original VHS with the HiFi Stereo soundtrack was superbly well done for the times, plus it had the full-length versions of 'Moonage Daydream' & 'Width Of A Circle' too.

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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2023-05-03 13:33:24(55 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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so is that the most complete version ?
how many editions have been released ??

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-05-05 12:58:11(55 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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professormouse wrote:

so is that the most complete version ?how many editions have been released ??

That I am aware of:
A - MIXES
1. Broadcast version(s) - these differed depending on where you were. For example, the Italian broadcast is different to the ABC one etc. All 'probably' from the same OB mix.
2. Original mix
3. 30th Anniversary Remix (Tony Visconti)
4. 'Moonage Daydream' remixes (possibly the whole show was remixed at the time, but I do not know)

B - Masters
This is where it can get complicated.
1. Broadcast Masters. Various bootlegs exist, but the main obvious ones are the Italian broadcast is different to the US ABC one with a different tracklist too. For example, the Italian version included 'Round & Round', 'Watch That Man', 'Cracked Actor' & 'My Death' and has a longer edit of 'Width Of A Circle' (13:28 vs 11.09) whereas the ABC one includes 'Moonage Daydream', 'Changes' & 'Rock 'n' Roll Suicide'
2. First Release (RCA Vinyl, VHS VideoTape with 'HiFi Stereo' and LaserDisc with PCM stereo.
The VHS carries the full-length show (minus obviously 'The Jean Genie' & 'Round & Round' and has an edited 'retirement speech', the RCA vinyl had butchered versions of 'Moonage Daydream' & 'Width Of A Circle'.
3. 1992 Ryko CD Remaster. 'Width Of A Circle' is the 9:35 edit, 'Moonage Daydream' is at 6:17
4. EMI 1992 - this is the same as the Ryko edition, as the Ryko label was only for the USA. We had EMI over in Europe & the edits are the same.
5. 30th Anniversary Remix by Tony Visconti.Again, an edited version of 'Width Of A Circle' at 14 minutes (against the full-length time of 15:45) but the full-length 'Moonage Daydream' at 7:28.
6. The 2012 remastered version of the remixed version has another edited version of 'Moonage Daydream' (6:25) whereas the DVD of the 30th anniversary is at full length.

I still need to double-check the VHS HiFi Stereo run times, as I am certain these are all full-length as I recall being shocked at how bad the edits are in 'Width Of A Circle' & 'Moonage Daydream' because they butchered Ronno's guitar playing.
I also need to extract the audio off my original LaserDisc version too.

One fine day I will sit me down & put together the properly definitive version of this show.

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russellmaelPosted at 2023-05-05 14:22:54(55 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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Compared to the Mayhew's soundboard, I don't believe Moonage Daydream is edited on any of the official releases. Perhaps the run time differences are down to the dressing room scene being added on / differences in audience reaction at the end on different mixes etc. My Death and WOAC are though, the former to tidy up the intro, the latter for vinyl space on the RCA.

I'd say the Mayhew is the most complete, but also quite messy. I love the RCA overdubs though and miss their absence on other versions. I know that makes me weird :-)

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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2023-05-06 02:39:19(54 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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Neil
there's a guy on Amazon
who says he 'laughs' at online articles that talk of 'THE RCA Version'
NOW
I know what he meant
the US vs Japan vs German vs Japan for America...RCA rabbit hole

'overdubs'
there's a great Bill Withers live album
Sade's desert island disc = the live at Carnegie Hall album
a string section appears on the record from nowhere
it's a live album

or is it 60/40...70/30 again ?
no edits or overdubs at least once ??
[they weren't there in the hall]
or will that version never be offically released ?

then there's the mix......
it should be a lot simpler

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-05-06 15:47:28(54 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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[/quote] [quote=professormouse] Neilthere's a guy on Amazonwho says he 'laughs' at online articles that talk of 'THE RCA Version'NOWI know what he meantthe US vs Japan vs German vs Japan for America...RCA rabbit hole'overdubs'there's a great Bill Withers live albumSade's desert island disc = the live at Carnegie Hall albuma string section appears on the record from nowhereit's a live albumor is it 60/40...70/30 again ?no edits or overdubs at least once ??[they weren't there in the hall]or will that version never be offically released ?then there's the mix......it should be a lot simpler

'The' RCA version is indeed better said as 'those' RCA versions!
For those who are clueless about what is being discussed, please see
https://picknmixed.blogspot.com/p/the-bowie-rca-cds.html
It's almost funny when you think about it, but the reality is that it was a different world 50 years ago & records were made in a different way - there was no digital delivery, everything was analogue.
This meant that for Bowie, RCA would send a set of masters to each territory on 1/4" tapes. These would be dubs of the actual mix - not 'mastered' as we understand it today, but the original mix in a condition for each territory to prepare it's own Vinyl Cutting Masters, Cassette & 8-track masters (and sometimes consumer R2R). This is why they sound different.

As for the mix.
Remember the label & the artist are making a record first & foremost, and documenting the concert as a secondary aim - the cameras tend to say differently, but the record is what matters. I'd like to be able to hear the multitracks, as unless you can hear what actually got recorded then all beta are off.
The Slade Alive (vol. 1, presumably) is fun. I like it.

And since when has anybody ever promised anyone an easy time of/and/or/for anything?

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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2023-05-10 12:46:01(54 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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yeah
which 'album' is considered the nearest to in-the-hall
or is it another 'OriginaL Star Wars' was all
the least 'tweaked' one ?

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2023-05-10 14:15:56(54 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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After the mono Mayhew tape - which is interesting historically, but it was a reference recording on tape that had already been recorded on multiple times - I think the original FM broadcast is the least tweaked.

I think the 2002 versions did present some 'on the night' sounds that had not been so easily heard in the original mixes. However, this was blighted imo by magnifying the overdubbed backing vocals and other sounds that were either additions, or just mixed too cleanly for a 'live' presentation.

The 2002 mixes (DVD and LP/CD are different) are a bit of a 'curate's egg' for me - they do reveal some interesting sounds, and parts of the concert we did not get to hear before (at that time, before the Mayhew mixing desk tape came to light), but due to my reservations noted above, they do not beat the original broadcast for me. Which is incomplete.

Life is never simple.

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-05-11 17:15:49(54 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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Thing is, the US FM broadcast version is wildly different to the Italian TV one.
Also, when you look at it from the label point of view, they are making a record - not nevcessarily the same thing as 'documenting the event' (although the cameras being there certainly hint at an event being documented, them being there was probably arranged months beforehand so Pennebaker would not have been in on the big secret that apparently only Bowie, Ronno & DeFries were aware of.
So the significance of the gig only became apparent after the famous 'retirement' speech.
10 years later, my best guess is someone wanted to make money out of what was at this time still in the vaults. To do that, you make a record. It is not a very honest process when you get right down to facts - not unless you go straight to 2-track with no fixes (and even then we have options).
It's even worse these days with the now routine use of Melodyne to fix all tuning issues, all timing issues & each & every musical flub is now 'fixed' giving us 'live' albums that are technical marvels, but nothing like the live show.

Depressing, isn't it?

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Stranger09DonatedPosted at 2023-05-11 21:17:08(54 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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This is my issue with the way Bowie liked live albums presented - too pristine. He was a perfectionist in the studio - and that worked, indeed perfectly. With official live albums, imo less so.

Thus audience recordings, FM recordings and mixing desk recordings of his live work arguably beat his official live releases.

An honourable excepion I guess is David Live, at least in its original vinyl first pressing incarnation. No matter what he said about it at the time, as one critic said (in the critics' own top tens in the back of the '100 Best Albums' book from the 80s, long out of print now I'm sure), it had a great 'live feel' to it.

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professormouseDonatedPosted at 2023-05-17 00:16:09(53 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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this is starting to sound like my investigations into the band Queen.
and how very 'tweaked' their live albums were
i can give you a gr8 quote from a Thin Lizzy fan i heard on the radio.... :-@

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neilwilkesPosted at 2023-05-17 11:45:31(53 wks ago) (Request for upload/Reseed/ISO / Request: - The recently surfaced tape ABC In Concert Broadcast Version In Concert #44 Oct 25, 1974: David Bowie - the full broadcast of the final Zigg)


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professormouse wrote:

this is starting to sound like my investigations into the band Queen.and how very 'tweaked' their live albums werei can give you a gr8 quote from a Thin Lizzy fan i heard on the radio.... :-@

I'll let you into a little secret here - most live albums are heavily 'tweaked' and these days I would go as far as to say almost all of them are and the main place you'll be able to hear this is on the lead vocals - if you know what to listen for I can almost guarantee you will hear tuning artefacts, caused either by Auto-Tune or else the preferred option these days (unless doing (C)Rap) which is Melodyne Studio version.
Another place you may spot evidence of tampering is on the drums - if everything is on the beat, and always at the approximate same velocity then it's almost certain they have been triggered with either outright replacement (usually done by taking a sample of the real kit being played) or else used to supplement the existing recordings if we have one of those rare beasts in a drummer that can keep perfect time for an entire show. These days they have a click track fed into earbuds, not so much so back in the '70's.
Whilst overdubbing is commonplace, sad to say if the timing is good then outright replacement of parts that were played, how shall we describe it? - ah yes - as a 'sub optimal performance'.

I'm looking forward to hearing the new version of this show, if the tracks we have on the 'Moonage Daydream' OST are anything to go by, as the audience is a lot more prominent now.

In closing, it is the lack of 'fixing' that make some of the bootleg releases so well worth having.
With the sole exception so far of 'David Live', all the official live albums have been 'tweaked' in some way. This can work really well - and we must always remember that the record label is not documenting the concert but making a record to sell - as you get the full performance, including the chat between tracks which is all too often edited out, yet there are times when it makes the show or even sets the tone of the show, and often shows a humour that is edited off the official releases. Montreux 2002 & BBC Radio Theatre 2000 come immediately to mind, as to me the BBC gig is in all ways superior to the Glastonbury appearance the day before, and Montreux shows a band just arriving at the peak of their powers that is so obviously extremely comfortable as a touring unit.
But I digress.
Again.

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